1 00:00:08,176 --> 00:00:13,648 20 years ago health care providers in Liverpool started to experiment with innovative approaches to drug problems. 2 00:00:13,768 --> 00:00:17,551 They distributed sterile needles to drug users to protect them from HIV 3 00:00:17,671 --> 00:00:23,783 and provided heroin users with a substitute drug called methadone to reduce crime and the risk of overdose. 4 00:00:23,903 --> 00:00:26,457 This approach was eventually named harm reduction. 5 00:00:26,577 --> 00:00:29,944 20 years later at the International Harm reduction conference, 6 00:00:30,064 --> 00:00:33,258 we asked the pioneers of Liverpool about the beginning. 7 00:00:34,026 --> 00:00:38,769 Well, in the 80s obviously because of the high unemployment 8 00:00:38,889 --> 00:00:43,284 things weren’t too good and the Tory government at the time 9 00:00:43,404 --> 00:00:49,240 a lot people became disaffected from society really, and started using heroine. 10 00:00:50,729 --> 00:00:53,418 The main problem we had in the early days in Liverpool, 11 00:00:53,538 --> 00:00:56,444 before harm reduction, there was noting really. 12 00:00:56,564 --> 00:00:59,470 We had a drug clinic that might see 5 people a year. 13 00:00:59,590 --> 00:01:01,679 There was nothing really for drug users. 14 00:01:01,799 --> 00:01:05,282 Around the mid-80s there were lots of people in authority were becoming aware 15 00:01:05,402 --> 00:01:09,028 that HIV and AIDS were about to become a big problem. 16 00:01:09,148 --> 00:01:11,814 At first it was seen as a problem for gay people. 17 00:01:11,934 --> 00:01:17,145 And then quickly people began to realise that people sharing needles who injected drugs 18 00:01:17,265 --> 00:01:22,860 were going to spread this virus between themselves and then sexually, to the heterosexual population. 19 00:01:22,980 --> 00:01:25,318 The first needle exchange opened in Liverpool 20 00:01:25,438 --> 00:01:30,457 in the Mersey Drug Training and Information Centre in Liverpool City Centre 21 00:01:30,577 --> 00:01:34,684 in October 1986 and we had to do it from a toilet. 22 00:01:34,804 --> 00:01:39,150 We had two toilets in the building and one of them was made into a needle exchange room. 23 00:01:39,270 --> 00:01:42,513 People came in who had been injecting heroine for 25 years 24 00:01:42,633 --> 00:01:45,586 and had never been to a drug service - never been. 25 00:01:45,706 --> 00:01:49,018 We could get in between two people 26 00:01:49,138 --> 00:01:51,083 who were about to pass a syringe to each other 27 00:01:51,131 --> 00:01:53,484 get that infected syringe out of circulation 28 00:01:53,604 --> 00:01:54,877 and put a clean one in its place. 29 00:01:54,997 --> 00:01:56,971 But it became broader than that; 30 00:01:57,091 --> 00:02:01,922 it became a way of engaging with people who had been marginalised, disenfranchised, vilified, 31 00:02:02,042 --> 00:02:04,593 people who saw themselves outside of society. 32 00:02:04,713 --> 00:02:08,986 we found that quite a successful bridge – getting people off the streets and into treatment. 33 00:02:09,106 --> 00:02:13,602 We actually started to take those services out to people and build up trust. 34 00:02:13,722 --> 00:02:16,726 It was Alan Lye that came of with this concept of harm reduction 35 00:02:16,846 --> 00:02:21,707 and the concept that it is best to reduce harm than to reduce drug use. 36 00:02:21,827 --> 00:02:25,646 This is not to say that we don’t want people to stop using drugs – we do! 37 00:02:25,766 --> 00:02:28,272 We need to prevent people from starting to use drugs 38 00:02:25,766 --> 00:02:28,272 We need to prevent people from starting to use drugs 39 00:02:28,392 --> 00:02:31,397 We need to help people get off drugs as well. 40 00:02:31,517 --> 00:02:35,336 This is what we call abstinence oriented policy or abstentionism. 41 00:02:35,456 --> 00:02:39,955 And harm reduction and abstentionism are two sides of the same coin. 42 00:02:40,075 --> 00:02:43,452 There is no evidence at all that harm reduction encourages people to use drugs 43 00:02:43,572 --> 00:02:46,622 In fact, the evidence is opposite to that. 44 00:02:46,742 --> 00:02:51,421 Harm reduction is about human rights, about respecting everyone’s human rights 45 00:02:51,541 --> 00:02:55,451 The main problem with using drugs, particularly opiates, is you have to find the money to for it. 46 00:02:55,995 --> 00:03:00,251 You don’t whether the drug that you are taking is clean or it is contaminated. 47 00:03:00,749 --> 00:03:04,960 You get involved with a whole range of other drugs and a whole negative drug scene 48 00:03:05,503 --> 00:03:09,216 What methadone does is allow you to get the effect of opiates 49 00:03:09,336 --> 00:03:11,526 without having to commit crime to do it. 50 00:03:11,646 --> 00:03:18,635 So it is not only a way of protecting the drug user, it also protects society from the crime that drug users might create. 51 00:03:18,755 --> 00:03:21,614 Methadone programs at first were very short 52 00:03:21,734 --> 00:03:26,142 and then they started to make the methadone programs much longer 53 00:03:26,262 --> 00:03:28,587 in order to reduce crime more than anything. 54 00:03:28,707 --> 00:03:32,798 There was one guy in particular we knew - I will tell you his first name, he was called Tommy. 55 00:03:32,918 --> 00:03:37,236 We got him into the needle exchange first, so to make sure he was using clean needles. 56 00:03:37,356 --> 00:03:40,632 When, he had stabilised on a heroine prescription, he switched to methadone. 57 00:03:40,752 --> 00:03:46,111 He then reduced his methadone dose over a very long period of 10 to 15 years. 58 00:03:46,231 --> 00:03:51,272 I just heard at this conference that he is still alive, all his drug problems are now behind him. 59 00:03:51,392 --> 00:03:56,050 If we had not given him needles and prescribed drugs, I am very, very sure that Tommy would be dead. 60 00:03:57,273 --> 00:04:01,846 The rest of the country based on these abstinence models found that they had nothing to offer drug users. 61 00:04:01,966 --> 00:04:05,378 So they took an interest in what we were doing, and then it snowballed. 62 00:04:05,498 --> 00:04:11,109 As harm reduction has developed, it has gone beyond needle exchange, substitute prescribing, 63 00:04:11,229 --> 00:04:15,773 to these new intervetions like, like drug consumption rooms, in some countries. 64 00:04:15,893 --> 00:04:20,029 I think that we have made great progress because there are 92 countries 65 00:04:20,149 --> 00:04:22,701 that use the word harm reduction in their policies. 66 00:04:22,821 --> 00:04:27,636 It is helpful to have a listing of countries that have harm reduction accepted in national policy. 67 00:04:27,756 --> 00:04:32,527 That in no way reflects the scale of the accessibility of those programs, 68 00:04:32,647 --> 00:04:38,368 whether they are properly funded, the degree to which people who use drugs are able to access those. 69 00:04:38,488 --> 00:04:42,663 Only four percent of injecting drug users have access to ARV treatment. 70 00:04:42,783 --> 00:04:48,170 Globally on average, and injecting drug user received 22 needles per year. 71 00:04:48,290 --> 00:04:52,971 I think we face the most important issue, which is funding, 72 00:04:53,091 --> 00:04:59,640 scaling up and making sure that we car achieve a coverage and that we can make a difference. 73 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:06,108 At the end of the day, we are all human beings and everyone has a right to remain healthy, 74 00:05:06,228 --> 00:05:10,908 and to make informed choices to stay well. 75 00:05:11,028 --> 00:05:15,657 Because once you are dead, you cannot recover, you cannot stop doing what you are doing.